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Religious Debate


Welcome. This wiki will hopefully become where people of all religions can come and talk about their religions peacefully. The two religions right now are Christianity and Paganism/Wicca. If you are part of another religion and wish to talk about it you are welcome to do so. Just remember that I [sequeena_rae] and [~Nyx~] will NOT tolerate any abuse to another religion. It is not your religion and you know nothing about it therefore you will NOT try and preach to people or call them evil or stupid because of their beliefs. If you do I will report to the guards. It may sound unfair but I won't take any crap off you.




If anyone would like to write a topic for any kind of religion you may, just write it on a wiki page and put the link up here. Thank you. [sequeena_rae]




Or if you are not interested in a whole section or topic, or your faith has been covered already, but you'd still like to contribute, please do so in forms of essays, columns or small wiki-rants where you note down your thoughts on any topic breaching religious matters. Make a separate wiki for it, and put the link here. It can be about anything at all, but remember to keep in mind Elftown rules (i.e. Don't be an asshole) as well as Uploading Art Rules if you put any images up. Take care, [iippo]




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Topic; Do you believe in predestination?

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2005-09-05 [sequeena_rae]: hmmm? Oh nyx wanted the password but it wasn't working for her and I took it down lol

2005-09-05 [~Nyx~]: oops. thanks. My english isn`t good, I know. ^^

2005-09-05 [sequeena_rae]: Good enough for me lol XD I've just finished Celtic Gods and Goddesses so I am quite landed XD

2005-09-05 [~Nyx~]: great! ^^ I`m still trying to find out how to write the christian thingy. (btw, could you check my spelling when I`m finished. If you have the time?)

2005-09-05 [~Nyx~]: I hope you don`t mind me copying you a bit?

2005-09-05 [sequeena_rae]: No it's absolutely fine and sure I'll check it for you ^_^ I'll check it out now

2005-09-05 [~Nyx~]: thank you so much ^^

2005-09-05 [sequeena_rae]: No problem XD

2005-09-06 [iippo]: Ahem? This seems like a great idea for a wiki, discussion about religion without preaching or arguing... Think I'll stick around.

2005-09-06 [iippo]: ¬_¬ Delete-button, anyone?

2005-09-06 [~Nyx~]: Great! Hopefully more people will come to discuss. [sequeena_rae] is the only one who can delete comments on this page...^^

2005-09-06 [Anti-Username]: so.... How's everyone doing this fine, wonderful, and (Last day before school day... URGH!!!).

2005-09-06 [iippo]: Ah well. Might as well leave the offensive comment, and if the person does it again, there are grounds to report him.

2005-09-06 [iippo]: XD Love your nicky, A-U by the way. I just ate so that's always good. And packing like anything. What school is that?

2005-09-06 [Anti-Username]: well I go to Vestal Senoir High. In New York State. I'm kinda excited, but I just wish I had a more exciting end to the summer....

2005-09-06 [Anti-Username]: I don't want to go to school... and by the way... Thanx!!

2005-09-06 [iippo]: Vestal? That is an uber-name for a school... Especially if it were all-girls school.

2005-09-06 [Anti-Username]: It's the name of my town... It's quite a gay town though, so... yea. I think it's quite retarded though, th school is full of goths, rednecks, hippys, some-what normal people, preps, jocks, and everything. There are evn people with no names for there groups. hehe.... it's a messd up school!

2005-09-06 [sequeena_rae]: I said no fucking shit >.< if she does it again report her if I'm not here

2005-09-09 [iippo]: So. Should we make a discussion about the afterlife in here or on the page or?

2005-09-09 [~Nyx~]: I think this main page is the best place to have the debate. So what do you think?

2005-09-09 [iippo]: I believe it's some kind of mix of heaven and incarnation. I dont really believe in Hell, it's more like a figure of speech, or represantation of life on Earth, spiritual sleep or something like that (life is suffering sort of thing) and if you accept salvation at grace of God, you don't have to reincarnate. So living things reincarnate, and when in human incarnation they have the chance to accept to go to heaven, or keep reborning. It sort of joins a lot of credos, but it would make sense without excluding anything too badly...

2005-09-09 [sequeena_rae]: I don't really know but I don't believe in hell...I'd like to think there is reincarnation but imagine coming back as a slug X(

2005-09-09 [iippo]: Well, I suppose the positive side of that would be that as a slug you wouldn't remember being a person and were spared from the awful thought of "I made myself a slug"... heh. How about views on heaven? I've heard Christians describe heaven in interesting ways, but what about the resident christians here? And what is the wiccan/witch view on afterlife?

2005-09-09 [sequeena_rae]: The witch view is mostly reincarnation I believe but it's personal choice in the end

2005-09-09 [iippo]: Personal choice? As in wheter to believe in reincarnation, or whether to reincarnate again?

2005-09-09 [sequeena_rae]: Personal choice wether they believe in reincarnation, an afterlife or no afterlife or reincarnation..It depends on the person really

2005-09-09 [~Nyx~]: the one interesting thing I`ve noticed in the bible is that it says that there is now sea in heaven... Personal I don`t think that heaven is a real place, but a sense of being calm, peasefull and the grace of God. I`m not sure if I believe in a hell, maybe hell is not being abel to feel the calmness and the grace... I`m not sure though.

2005-09-09 [sequeena_rae]: I didn't know that but then again the only things I know is how the world began, jesus' birth, his death, ressurection and the good samaritan story.

2005-09-09 [~Nyx~]: lol, that`s about what i remeber too, but I went to this christian school, so I know that I know more than this.

2005-09-09 [sequeena_rae]: lol well thats good otherwise you wouldn't be able to write this ^_^

2005-09-10 [nokaredes]: I think you would get to choose your own atmoshpere in Heaven. The sea would be alright for me, but I would prefer something else, so if I got into Heaven, I would get something else.

2005-09-10 [iippo]: One man told me that he believed that heaven is a world just like this, except... not all wrong and weird. Like, it's a proper place where people live eternally without any corrupted emotions etc... Which is why it's called eternal life. And he used to say that "eternal life starts today" meaning that he tries to live without those emotions of envy, hate etc...

2005-09-10 [sequeena_rae]: That's actually a good opinion of the after life ^_^ I like that one a lot

2005-09-13 [sequeena_rae]: I know this is well off topic but I just made a new wiki Full O' Randomness It's rough around the edges but I like it XD

2005-10-10 [iippo]: I just thought of something... I have a friend here on ET who is a very dedicated muslim... I could ask him if he'd be interested in making a share to here about his faith...

2005-10-10 [sequeena_rae]: Yes!! you go do that!!

2005-10-10 [Alfirin Lindlea]: *waves* Hola, I'm around again

2005-10-10 [iippo]: w00tah! Welcome back. :3

2005-10-10 [sequeena_rae]: Well hello there XD

2005-10-10 [~Nyx~]: *waves back* Hola, where in the wide world have you been? ^^

2005-10-10 [Alfirin Lindlea]: Sorting through some issues. But yay I'm back and ready to ROCK *ahem*

2005-10-10 [sequeena_rae]: *rocks on*

2005-10-10 [Alfirin Lindlea]: heh woo!

2005-10-10 [sequeena_rae]: *is neglecting the wiki a bit* lol I don't mean to

2005-10-10 [Alfirin Lindlea]: Aww, I'm sure the wiki will forgive you

2005-10-10 [sequeena_rae]: I hope so *snugs the wiki* any thoughts on it?

2005-10-10 [Alfirin Lindlea]: For a topic?

2005-10-10 [~Nyx~]: I think you`ve done a great job (I on the other hand have truly been negelecting my duties, please forgive me... :( )

2005-10-10 [sequeena_rae]: *forgives you* hehe yes anything you want. You can write something if you want ^_^

2005-10-10 [Alfirin Lindlea]: ooooh

2005-10-10 [sequeena_rae]: Yesh I am giving you free reign lol

2005-10-10 [Alfirin Lindlea]: That's probably a bad move... muaha

2005-10-10 [sequeena_rae]: Nah I trust you ^_^ hehe

2005-10-10 [Alfirin Lindlea]: *evil laughter*

2005-10-10 [sequeena_rae]: *looks around* who did that?

2005-10-10 [~Nyx~]: oh noooo, lol ^^ rock on! :P

2005-10-10 [Alfirin Lindlea]: So not me *innocent*

2005-10-10 [sequeena_rae]: *pets you* so sweet

2005-10-10 [Alfirin Lindlea]: hehe >.<

2005-10-10 [~Nyx~]: I have to go now, Good night everyone. ^^

2005-10-10 [Alfirin Lindlea]: bubai!

2005-10-10 [sequeena_rae]: byeeeeeeeee

2005-10-11 [iippo]: Hey how about a something like welcoming people to write articles, essays or just a little wiki-thingies about their thoughts on anything faith related, and links to them on these pages. So you'd get the links to the different faiths in general, and then links by different people writing down their thoughts, that then again might spark up conversations on their own..?

2005-10-11 [Alfirin Lindlea]: Good plan

2005-10-11 [sequeena_rae]: woah...[iippo] I leave you in charge of that one lol

2005-10-11 [iippo]: O_o Just put a litle notice invitation on the page, i suppose...

2005-10-11 [sequeena_rae]: You do it lmao

2005-10-12 [iippo]: Howssat?

2005-10-12 [sequeena_rae]: it is brilliant!

2005-11-03 [FeckErseDrink!]: as for the topic of the week ... yes I do believe in after life, I'm a buddhist. I dunno if anyone's written anything about it for you but if you want me to I will

2005-11-03 [sequeena_rae]: Wow I didn't know you was a Buddhist Beth I'll be glad for your help ^_^

2005-11-03 [iippo]: Could you elaborate [FeckErseDrink!] your beliefs? *is very interested* How does the after-life -deal work for you?

2005-11-03 [sequeena_rae]: ^_^ yup me would like to know more too

2005-11-03 [FeckErseDrink!]: I'm sure I told you sarah ... or maybe not, what a scatter brain, eh? Well, [iippo], I beilieve that the instant one person dies their enery transfers into another human life.Some Buddhists believe humans can reincarnate as animals or insects or whatever, but I've never got that.

2005-11-04 [~Nyx~]: And we would love for you to write something about buddhism! right [sequeena_rae]? :D

2005-11-04 [The Blood Angel]: Hey that would be cool. Always wondered what Buddhism (Sp?) was about.

2005-11-04 [~Nyx~]: The more different religions and different opinions we have here the better!

2005-11-04 [sequeena_rae]: Yesh we would!! *nods* I'd love to learn about Buddism and Beth you did not!! XD

2005-11-05 [FeckErseDrink!]: well I thought I did =) Anyway as soon as I find some time I would love to write something for you guys about Buddhism and what it means for me ... not, of course, that I know everything. I'm still learning loads myself.

2005-11-05 [The Blood Angel]: thats cool. Your opinion on your religion will be greatly read over.

2005-11-05 [sequeena_rae]: *nods* especially from me

2005-11-05 [FeckErseDrink!]: well I'd best get cracking shortly then =)

2005-11-05 [sequeena_rae]: Yep! ^_^

2005-12-15 [Gluttony]: I, of the Christian faith, would like to ask any of the other "Christians" a question: Do you believe in predestination?

2005-12-15 [The Blood Angel]: I would have to say no. I'm a firm believer that God gave us free will and to that end God has left us to 'write' our own destiny. We have a choice in what we become unless you are born with something serious. But then again these same people with disabilities can still choose where they go in life.

2005-12-15 [iippo]: I'm somewhere half way. As in, no, we are not destined to go to heaven or hell, that depends on us completely. But God does know what we are going to do - but yet again I don't think he makes us do it. Sort of like if you leave a cookie on the floor you know the dog is going to eat it but you're not making the dog eat the cookie. But it will eat it. God has the same knowledge of each of us.

2005-12-15 [~Nyx~]: I agree with [iippo]. I think that God has a plan for each and everyone of us. He knows what choices we will have to make, and what we will have to deal with, but how we deal with it, is completly up to us.

2005-12-15 [Gluttony]: But if God knows, then you're predestined...

2005-12-15 [iippo]: Not in the sense that it wouldn't be our choice. You choose wether or not you accept the way to heaven through Jesus, but as God has created you he knows you through and through and he knows what you will do, but he won't make you do it. We're not machines that are built to do the thing that we do.

2005-12-15 [Gluttony]: We have a choice to either get saved or not... we don't know what we'll choose, but God does... and God's knowledge of what we'll choose makes us predestined to choose that path...

2005-12-15 [iippo]: Meh, mind-bending. :D But I don't believe in destiny as we'd understand it. And no one is predestined to commit suicide.

2005-12-16 [Gluttony]: ...or are they? *scary music plays*

2005-12-16 [The Blood Angel]: LoL. Well I think god knows how people can go 'up' or 'down' but I don't believe he knows what people will do without looking at what people are doing right this minute.

2005-12-16 [nokaredes]: ...but God is omnipotent, right? So He would know everything, including our future actions.

2005-12-16 [sequeena_rae]: O_O

2005-12-16 [The Blood Angel]: I've never believed god is Omnipotent. There are just too many contradictions for me to accept his omnipotence.

2005-12-16 [sequeena_rae]: I'm dull what does the O word mean?

2005-12-16 [~Nyx~]: Think of "God is our father", and imagine the picture of parents and their kids. The parents knows everything there is to know about them, how they react to certain things...etc. Parents also have the ability to influence their lives, but the choices they make is their own. Parents can`t deside for them, but they can predict what is going to happen, bacause they know their kids so well. I think it`s the same way with God.

2005-12-16 [iippo]: Omnipotent means all-powerful, all-knowing and everywhere. That's what Christian God is. It's another one of those strange things in Christianity that makes sense to Christians but seems contradicting to others, same with "there's only one God but Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all God/s". I think it's designed like that so believing in Christian God wouldn't be too obvious, since the whole point of the faith is to be grateful to Jesus for saving us. For example, the mailman is obvious so we're not exactly grateful for him for delivering our mail every day. But if the mailman brought us our mail, breakfast in bed and a million dollars at the cost of his own life, we'd probably be a bit...

2005-12-16 [iippo]: ...grateful. So in the words of whats-his-name "the way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." If you try to be rational about it, it doesn't make sense.

2005-12-16 [sequeena_rae]: Oh thank you ^_^

2006-01-04 [FeckErseDrink!]: I would agree that God can't be omnipotent .... who is he to decide our future actions?! It's US who does them after all, not him.

2006-01-04 [iippo]: Hello mondaymorning :) (I wish I could greet actual monday-mornings as joyfully...) So I take it you don't believe in predestination, lol. Want to say more about it? Why not? What's you view?

2006-01-04 [sequeena_rae]: Bethy? You're here? o_O XD

2006-01-04 [FeckErseDrink!]: hi [iippo]. You're right, I don't think people's lives are predestined, that's just silly =) In my opinion anyway. As humans with free will (shall I or shall I not eat this biccie?) predestination by God doesn't quite make sense to me. However I would be happy if someone wants to further explain it to me .... maybe I have the wrong idea completely =) And yes Sarah, I am here. I am often here. Mwahh hahahaha !

2006-01-04 [Alfirin Lindlea]: I like the idea that life is predestined. I've had a rather traumatic experience(s), and the only thing that gets me through each day is the idea that it happened for a reason

2006-01-06 [~Nyx~]: That`s how I like to think too. And not just the big things that happen in life, everything. Even zneesing could be predestined. Think about it. If you sneez you might infect someone else with a cold, and if they get sick their life is changed for a short period of time, and the choices they make during that period might be different from what their choses could have been if they were healthy, and in that way your little sneez might have big consequenses. :P

2006-01-06 [Alfirin Lindlea]: Exactly XD

2006-01-06 [FeckErseDrink!]: it's an interesting matter ... but say god was like, you WILL go to that job interview, then some external factor like illness makes you ill and you can't go? Or for some reason you just decide not to ..... what then? And what about great people like Princess Diana who die for no apparent reason?!?!?!? Was her death predestined, and if so whyyyyyyy?

2006-01-06 [Gluttony]: We have a decision... no one's forcing us... God just knows what that decision will be...

2006-01-06 [sequeena_rae]: *is keeping well away from this discussion* I will only end up offending

2006-01-06 [Gluttony]: Well... I already find you pretty offensive to all my senses... what's the worst you could say...?

2006-01-06 [FeckErseDrink!]: I don't think anything anyone said was offensive! Oh poo, have I offended anyone?! If so I am really sorry. I didn't mean to.

2006-01-06 [sequeena_rae]: You find me offensive? Why? I haven't even said anything

2006-01-06 [Gluttony]: My nose accepts your apology...

2006-01-06 [sequeena_rae]: If you are here to offend I suggest you leave or I will be reporting you to the guards. I do not accept any predjudice here, you do not even know the people or even the religion you are against so if you intend to stay listen.

2006-01-06 [Gluttony]: ...uh... might I ask what you're talking about...?

2006-01-06 [sequeena_rae]: I'm talking to you

2006-01-06 [Gluttony]: I asked what you're talking about... not who are you talking to...

2006-01-06 [sequeena_rae]: I am talking about your ignorance

2006-01-06 [Gluttony]: ...but "you do not even know the people or even the religion you are against"...? I'm not against any religion... I've been on this wiki since last year... *coughindecembercough*... and started the predestination discussion...

2006-01-06 [sequeena_rae]: I'm not talking about that "I already find you offensive to all my senses" I find this ignorant, "My nose accepts your apology" downright arrogant

2006-01-06 [FeckErseDrink!]: yes me too. So please stop it. and it doesn't matter how long you've been here. It is Sarah's wiki therefore her right to tell you to go away if she wants to.

2006-01-06 [~Nyx~]: back to the disgussion: I think Princess Diana`s death might have had much more powerful consequences than if she had lived (however, I do not think it was a good thing she passed away, loss of a human life never is, but the conequences of her death lead to many good things because so many people were influenced by it, and she was a great person who managed to put the spotlight on many important issues).

2006-01-06 [sequeena_rae]: I think it was a conspiracy ¬.¬ Am I the only one? XD

2006-01-06 [~Nyx~]: no, I think so too. *nods*

2006-01-06 [FeckErseDrink!]: no ... I would agree. But this predestination thing really goes over my head! How can things like BREAKING THE TEN COMMANDMENTS be predestined by god? Sureley he doesn't want these things to happen?!

2006-01-06 [sequeena_rae]: Ha! *has followers* Wheee!!

2006-01-06 [~Nyx~]: of course God doesn`t want these things to happen, but we are all born with free will, so we can do whatever we want, I think God know`s what is going to happen, but as I said; we are all free to do whatever we want with our lives. ^^

2006-01-06 [FeckErseDrink!]: But this is what confuzzles meeee!

2006-01-06 [sequeena_rae]: If he knows whats going to happen and controls it all...Why give us free will?

2006-01-06 [~Nyx~]: that we have a free will and at the same time are predestined?

2006-01-06 [sequeena_rae]: Yes, that's what you're saying...Isn't it?

2006-01-06 [~Nyx~]: He chooses not to (I think...), he loves us and wanted to give us free will.

2006-01-06 [~Nyx~]: erm...talking to me now? *a bit confused* ^^

2006-01-06 [sequeena_rae]: Yesh I'm talking to you XD

2006-01-06 [~Nyx~]: yes, that`s what I`m saying. ^^

2006-01-06 [sequeena_rae]: Ah right lol I still don't get it XD

2006-01-06 [~Nyx~]: hehe...erm... I`ll try to explain, but I`m afraid I`m going to repeat myself here :P ; I think we are predestined in the sence that God knows what is going to happen, and He knows what choices we are going to make when we face whatever He has in store for us, but since He loves us He desided that He didn`t want to force us to do all these things to please Him, so He gave us the free will so that we could choose for ourselves. He has a plan for all of us, but the choices we make are our own, no one is forcing us, but of course we have to take the consequencees of our actions. (and all that) any clearer?

2006-01-06 [sequeena_rae]: Not really...Sorry XD I can't get over the fact he has a plan for us and we're going to end up doing what he wants so there's no point in free will o_O

2006-01-06 [~Nyx~]: ow, well, I don`t think it`s that spesific. ex. He plan that we have to do this and that, and that`s the way it`s going to be no matter what. But more like a plan of what people we are going to meet, find love, what we will learn along the way, what options we will meet etc. There are many roads we can take, we don`t know where they`re heading or who we`re going to bump into along the way, but He does.

2006-01-06 [sequeena_rae]: Oh right XD

2006-01-06 [~Nyx~]: hehe ;D....so what do you think about predestination?

2006-01-06 [sequeena_rae]: To be brutally honest? Bollox ._.

2006-01-06 [~Nyx~]: ^^ So you believe that we have free will, and there is no destiny at all? :)

2006-01-06 [sequeena_rae]: Yes, I believe we control our own fates

2006-01-06 [~Nyx~]: in a way I do to. It`s just that I think that someone out there knows what is going to happen.

2006-01-06 [sequeena_rae]: Okay *nods* :p

2006-01-06 [~Nyx~]: XD

2006-01-06 [sequeena_rae]: *poke*

2006-01-06 [~Nyx~]: ouchy.....lol *pokes back*

2006-01-06 [sequeena_rae]: =O!

2006-01-06 [~Nyx~]: huh? what? *looks around*

2006-01-06 [Gluttony]: You believe that we control our own fates... but do you believe that God knows what we will choose...?

2006-01-06 [sequeena_rae]: I do not believe in God, not the 'one divine' God anyway

2006-01-06 [Gluttony]: ...do you even have a religion...?

2006-01-06 [~Nyx~]: YES! ^^ (thank you)

2006-01-06 [sequeena_rae]: Do you not read? Paganism

2006-01-06 [~Nyx~]: [Gluttony] why don`t you join, and put your religion / belief nex to your name so we know what you believe / not believe in? ^^

2006-01-06 [Gluttony]: It never says what religion you are... all it says is "The two religions right now are Christianity and Paganism/Wicca."... I might join... eventually...

2006-01-06 [sequeena_rae]: eh? There's a members page where you can join and it says people religions and there's only two religions up there right now because there's only christians and pagans/wiccans here! Mind you bethy is a practising buddhist

2006-01-07 [~Nyx~]: well, join whenever you feel like, but we would all apriciate it if you tried to keep an open mind towards other people and be polite

2006-01-07 [Gluttony]: ...as if I'm going to go through the trouble of clicking a link and reading it's contents... if it's all on the main page, I might read it... but I didn't know it was on the members page...

2006-01-07 [sequeena_rae]: As if you'd have some brains also, please if all you are going to do is bad mouth, leave.

2006-01-07 [Gluttony]: I never bad mouthed... unlike you, who just insulted me...

2006-01-07 [sequeena_rae]: You know what? I refuse to talk about this anymore, I'm going to leave, later guys

2006-01-07 [FeckErseDrink!]: now look what you've done ....

2006-01-07 [sequeena_rae]: And it's a new day so I'm back >:D

2006-01-07 [FeckErseDrink!]: bonjour =) how are you?

2006-01-07 [sequeena_rae]: I'm good >:D you?

2006-01-07 [FeckErseDrink!]: I'm good thankies =)

2006-01-07 [sequeena_rae]: Wheee! :P

2006-01-07 [FeckErseDrink!]: lol! Hmm we should have more religions on here ... only 2 main ones =(

2006-01-07 [sequeena_rae]: Thats why we asked you for yours!

2006-01-07 [FeckErseDrink!]: yes but it still says at the top .... 2 main religions. it just seems sehr small!

2006-01-07 [sequeena_rae]: But it also says if you wish to contribute make a wiki which we will add here!

2006-01-07 [FeckErseDrink!]: yes this is true. I will maybe do that when all my coursework is done and also when my computer decides to shake itsself up and move a bit quicker =)

2006-01-07 [sequeena_rae]: YAY! *pounce* :p

2006-01-07 [FeckErseDrink!]: eeek! Though in the grand scheme of it all I probably know verrrrrry little about Buddhism!

2006-01-07 [sequeena_rae]: Anything helps ;)

2006-01-07 [FeckErseDrink!]: okies I'll give it a go later, perhaps =)

2006-01-07 [sequeena_rae]: Yesh you will! :p

2006-01-07 [~Nyx~]: I have acctually written some stuff about christianity during my vacation, but the big problem is that is very general, and I`m struggeling with my english. It`s not easy to write about religion in a foreign language, so there`s big gaps where I have just written it out in norwegian.... and I can`t realy use examples from the bible because I don`t want to translate it by myself, incase I do something wrong....etc. but at least I have written something (finally), and I have a layout ready *yay* ^^

2006-01-07 [sequeena_rae]: ^_^ Go you!

2006-01-07 [~Nyx~]: yay! (I`m slow, but at least I`m going somewhere) I can`t put it up here yet though because, like I said it`s not finished and there`s lots more to write and translate...

2006-01-07 [sequeena_rae]: Ah okay, we can wait ^_^

2006-01-08 [iippo]: All religious texts are accessible online (found this out yesterday) in www.sacred-texts.com and I'm sure you can search the Bible by passages there. In English and usually original language as well (i.e. the vedas in sanskrit, Bible in several I assume)

2006-01-08 [nokaredes]: And there's a bajillion other places where you can look up Bible passages...

2006-01-08 [iippo]: And as for Christian predestination with free will... I don't think it can be explained without the faith. I find it so incredible that people would try to argue points of belief without the belief itself, rationally. That's like... telling a homeless person their shoes don't match their belt and therefore they should get rid of their shoes. Just as fashion doesn't mean anything to the homeless person, the same that rational thinking doesn't necessarely mean anything to those of faith. I for one do not see the point of spells or rituals (sorry if this is very generalising of wicca, I don't know much about it) because according to my faith such gestures mean nothing.

2006-01-08 [iippo]: "The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason."

2006-01-08 [sequeena_rae]: It's not about the rituals, it's about the symbolism and messages/thoughts/prayers you put across.

2006-03-15 [Death's Die-Ary]: hi,everyone.

2006-03-15 [~Nyx~]: hey! welcome ^^

2006-03-15 [sequeena_rae]: Hello ^_^

2006-05-14 [Bring The Synth]: I actually have a theory about what religun is..... Ok its like thisw... when ur little you get told many storys that try to make you not do stuff and follow rules right..... ex.) The Boy Who Cryed Wolf......... ok so what i think the religous books are are made up fairy tales that make you wanna believe that there is something ot o live for and that you need to follow rules to get to it....

2006-05-14 [sequeena_rae]: *nods* Why don't you write something about it? That would be good, and it would help get your point across easier ^^

2006-06-22 [TwiztidYoshi03]: What about Atheists? Would you consider that an religion? (Just asking)

2006-06-22 [Alfirin Lindlea]: Atheism is the rejection of religion. So it's not really *irrelevant contribution*

2006-08-27 [TendoKing]: By definition, Religion is following a belief that you accept as the truth. Atheists BELIEVE that there is no devine power, so in technical terms atheism is, in fact, a religion. We assume that in order for a religion to form a devine power must be present. This forces Atheism into a "stand alone complex."

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